In this episode of Travis Gets Heavy, Travis sits down for two separate interviews with two fantastic upcoming publishers: Tom Russell from Hollandspiele and Clay Ross from Capstone Games. They discuss design intentions, trains, heavy economic games, the coal trilogy, magazine war-games, and Opium Wars, plus an announcement from Capstone in case you haven't heard about it already.

0:35 - Tom Russell from Hollandspiele
66:00 - Clay Ross from Capstone Games

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